1 Run Games

sfink16 · 08-03-2007, 08:46 PM

Let's talk about the 6 and 18 record in 1 run games. Think about it, a 12 and 12 (.500) record makes up the 5 game lead that the Mets have and puts the Phils in first.

Bombing teams out gives the Phils the lead in runs scored but accomplishes little beyond that. You can point to bad managing, bad execution, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that the Phils record in 1 run games is the difference maker, especially when the Mets ar 14 and 6.

jwinkler2000 · 08-03-2007, 09:27 PM

records in one run games alot of the time amount to luck. One year you could be great in 1 run games, the next year you could have same team and suck in 1 run games. Heck look at the Nationals like 3 years ago they were in 1st I think at the all star break all because they won like 15 1 run games in a row. Then in the second half of the season they couldn't buy a 1 run win and sunk in the standings as a result.

sfink16 · 08-04-2007, 06:29 AM

Who cares about the Nats? I'm talking about the team in front of the Phils. This is the second year in a row where the most meaningful difference between the teams is 1 run games. Take a look at the breakdown last year. Someone did great research:

http://www.philliesflow.com/120106.html

GMAN · 08-04-2007, 06:45 AM

It's the manager and also a lack of clutch hitting from a team that is great when it's a blowout.

buckshot · 08-04-2007, 07:30 AM

I think it's the manager and bullpen. Charlie probably is costing this team more than most managers would. He seems to consistently make the wrong choices like letting Moyer hit the other night, bunting Rowand (even though they won that one) and the worst of the worst: bringing in a new pitcher before Restovich was announced for the Nats earlier this year. That one definitely cost them a win.

BelmontShore · 08-04-2007, 08:49 AM

As I've continued to say. Want to see what kind of manager you have, check out your record in 1 run games. .500 isn't bad, it could be better, but to be 6-18, along with how bad they were last year is indicative of a manager bad at strategy, bad at putting his players in the best position to succeed.

Doll is Mine · 08-04-2007, 11:15 AM

Our record in this category would also improve if Charlie wan't making the decisions.

SCREAM · 08-04-2007, 12:16 PM

Didn't they show a stat a week or so ago that we were 1-25 when we don't score over 2 or 3 runs (I forget which)?

sfink16 · 08-04-2007, 06:36 PM

Updated: 6 and 19 - Warm up Alfonseco but bring Gordon in, why? I was on the phone at the time and had "Mute" on, but can someone explain this?

robo · 08-04-2007, 06:42 PM

I would try to explain it but i do not talk Charlyies.

1960 · 08-04-2007, 07:24 PM

What wins one run games? The bullpen and contact hitting, this team has neither.

01civicman · 08-04-2007, 07:30 PM

they are D.U.N

lifer · 08-04-2007, 07:34 PM

time for the phillies annual death spiral.

same story, different year.

motor · 08-04-2007, 08:05 PM

How's the Phils' record in games decided in the winning team's last at-bat? And the Mets'?

I'd also like to see their record when the final out is made with the tying run at the plate.

I read in a Leonard Koppett book about the Mets' history (I forget the title) where the 1962 Mets had something like 56 of their 120 losses end with the tying run in the batter's box. Since the '62 Amazin's won 40 games, they had 96 games (60% of the 160 games played; they had two un-made-up rainouts) where they either a) won or b) lost, but had the potential of extending the game with one swing of the bat, at the moment the final pitch was released, i.e., dreams of victory in their minds and those of their fans.

One-run games don't always give a total explanation of performance in close games, but they're easiest. And remember, if you're the home team, a walk-off-style win can be by as much as four runs.

motor

stevejeltzfan · 08-04-2007, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1960

What wins one run games? The bullpen and contact hitting, this team has neither.

They're first in the league in batting average, so I'd have to disagree with half your point.

08-03-2007, 08:46 PM	#1
sfink16 Fire Manuel Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Harrisburg, Pa Posts: 2,659	1 Run Games Let's talk about the 6 and 18 record in 1 run games. Think about it, a 12 and 12 (.500) record makes up the 5 game lead that the Mets have and puts the Phils in first. Bombing teams out gives the Phils the lead in runs scored but accomplishes little beyond that. You can point to bad managing, bad execution, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that the Phils record in 1 run games is the difference maker, especially when the Mets ar 14 and 6. __________________ Minds are like parachutes, they only work when they are open

08-03-2007, 09:27 PM	#2
jwinkler2000 Cried like a baby on Wed Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newark, DE Posts: 4,583	records in one run games alot of the time amount to luck. One year you could be great in 1 run games, the next year you could have same team and suck in 1 run games. Heck look at the Nationals like 3 years ago they were in 1st I think at the all star break all because they won like 15 1 run games in a row. Then in the second half of the season they couldn't buy a 1 run win and sunk in the standings as a result. __________________ When someone smiles at me, all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life

08-04-2007, 06:29 AM	#3
sfink16 Fire Manuel Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Harrisburg, Pa Posts: 2,659	Who cares about the Nats? I'm talking about the team in front of the Phils. This is the second year in a row where the most meaningful difference between the teams is 1 run games. Take a look at the breakdown last year. Someone did great research: http://www.philliesflow.com/120106.html __________________ Minds are like parachutes, they only work when they are open

08-04-2007, 06:45 AM	#4
GMAN GDT Ace Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 41,840	It's the manager and also a lack of clutch hitting from a team that is great when it's a blowout. __________________ Philaphans official loose cannon World fu*king Champions !!!! Originally Posted by 26NuffSaid For your info, I was PhilaPhans Rookie poster of the year just a few months ago. Hey Donovan, you blow !

08-04-2007, 07:30 AM	#5
buckshot Do it with RISP Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 11,017	I think it's the manager and bullpen. Charlie probably is costing this team more than most managers would. He seems to consistently make the wrong choices like letting Moyer hit the other night, bunting Rowand (even though they won that one) and the worst of the worst: bringing in a new pitcher before Restovich was announced for the Nats earlier this year. That one definitely cost them a win. __________________ Voted Casey "as well" -Sarge

08-04-2007, 08:49 AM	#6
BelmontShore And so it begins...Again. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Valhalla Posts: 32,214	As I've continued to say. Want to see what kind of manager you have, check out your record in 1 run games. .500 isn't bad, it could be better, but to be 6-18, along with how bad they were last year is indicative of a manager bad at strategy, bad at putting his players in the best position to succeed. __________________ Move. Your. Money. Don't leave it with too big to fail institutions who pay bonuses to employees and lobbyists to lobby against your best interests, with your tax dollars. http://moveyourmoney.info

08-04-2007, 11:15 AM	#7
Doll is Mine Don't Hate, Fellate. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 25,588	Our record in this category would also improve if Charlie wan't making the decisions.

08-04-2007, 12:16 PM	#8
SCREAM Admin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Swedesboro, NJ Posts: 20,101	Didn't they show a stat a week or so ago that we were 1-25 when we don't score over 2 or 3 runs (I forget which)? __________________ PhilaPhans Admin. Please PM me with any questions or concerns.

08-04-2007, 06:36 PM	#9
sfink16 Fire Manuel Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Harrisburg, Pa Posts: 2,659	Updated: 6 and 19 - Warm up Alfonseco but bring Gordon in, why? I was on the phone at the time and had "Mute" on, but can someone explain this? __________________ Minds are like parachutes, they only work when they are open

08-04-2007, 06:42 PM	#10
robo New Baby Brian Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Phila. Pa. USA Posts: 12,912	I would try to explain it but i do not talk Charlyies. __________________ WELCOME iBANEZ. RYAN, LAST MAN STANDING.. OOPS, JUST SAT DOWN.

08-04-2007, 07:24 PM	#11
1960 Keeping my mouth shut Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Not Sure Posts: 2,456	What wins one run games? The bullpen and contact hitting, this team has neither. __________________ Thank you Phillies for two great years.

08-04-2007, 07:30 PM	#12
01civicman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Jersey Posts: 14,285	they are D.U.N

08-04-2007, 07:34 PM	#13
lifer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,937	time for the phillies annual death spiral. same story, different year.

08-04-2007, 08:05 PM	#14
motor Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 157	How's the Phils' record in games decided in the winning team's last at-bat? And the Mets'? I'd also like to see their record when the final out is made with the tying run at the plate. I read in a Leonard Koppett book about the Mets' history (I forget the title) where the 1962 Mets had something like 56 of their 120 losses end with the tying run in the batter's box. Since the '62 Amazin's won 40 games, they had 96 games (60% of the 160 games played; they had two un-made-up rainouts) where they either a) won or b) lost, but had the potential of extending the game with one swing of the bat, at the moment the final pitch was released, i.e., dreams of victory in their minds and those of their fans. One-run games don't always give a total explanation of performance in close games, but they're easiest. And remember, if you're the home team, a walk-off-style win can be by as much as four runs. motor

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